Objective Art II

CDT055

Objective Art II

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Panel discussion with Robert Anton Wilson, Claudio Naranjo, E.J. Gold and the Flying Karamazov Brothers. The difference between subjective and objective art is explored by each of the panel members. They explain how being temporarily free from the work hypnosis can provide a Moment of Freedom in which objective art can be created.

Synopsis

The discussion explores the nature of objective art, the creative process, and the fluidity of reality, touching on themes of unconscious inspiration, metaphysical awareness, and artistic forgery. References to figures such as Gurdjieff, Beethoven, and Jack Sarfatti highlight different ways of perceiving creative expression. Humor and surreal elements weave through the talk, questioning the validity of authenticity, illusion, and perception in both art and everyday life.

Summary

The talk is an expansive and often humorous exploration of art, creativity, and reality. It delves into the idea of *objective art*, as defined by Gurdjieff, contrasting it with subjective or accidental creation. An example is presented in the works of Wilhelm Friedemann Bach, where forgery blends seamlessly with authentic creation, raising questions about value and perception.

The theme of *flow state* and involuntary conjuration plays a key role, with anecdotes from live performance illustrating moments of unconscious artistic inspiration. Classical music, particularly Beethoven and Brahms, is examined for hidden structures and intent, suggesting an underlying universal order to creative output.

Additionally, the conversation touches on illusions in history, economics, and social structures, implying that our belief systems are as constructed as artistic narratives. The concept of reality as performative illusion — as seen through Monty Python-esque experiments, conceptual juggling, and parapsychology — underscores the flexibility of consensus truth. Parallels are drawn with mysticism, quantum mechanics, and esoteric thought, positioning art as a means of shaping human experience.

Ultimately, the discussion circles back to a central question: *Why are we here?* This serves as both a literal query about the gathering and a deeper philosophical riddle, challenging the audience to reflect on purpose, agency, and the narratives they construct.

Keywords & Key Phrases

  • Objective art
  • Chief feature
  • Involuntary conjuration
  • Astral vampire
  • Higher blood
  • Sufi revelation
  • Wilhelm Friedemann Bach Society
  • Fake authenticity
  • The Sirius metaphor
  • Schrodinger’s cat and value
  • Found art and forgery
  • Gurdjieff's psychological style
  • Simian brush strokes
  • Mathematical art laws
  • Conceptual juggling
  • Temporal art vs. static art
  • Hermetic symbology
  • The illuminated dollar
  • Szarmong monastery
  • Quantum psi-ray
  • The illusion of consensus reality

Graphic Prompt for AI Imaging

“A surreal collage featuring Wilhelm Friedemann Bach in a celestial workshop, forging lost symphonies under the gaze of an all-seeing eye. Gurdjieff and Beethoven play chess with floating musical notes, while a juggler balances esoteric symbols mid-air. In the background, a recursive M.C. Escher-style monastery twists into a cosmic clockwork, blending alchemical symbols with neon quantum patterns. The entire scene is bathed in eerie golden illumination, evoking mystery and hidden knowledge.”